Saturday, April 3, 2010

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Thursday, April 1, 2010

Should I have said something?

This morning I heard about a news story that is going on here in Arkansas and told a co-worker about it. The story I mentioned doesn't have anything to do with the title but from this I learned about another event.
It was about 4 years ago that a guy I worked with quit and since then I haven't really had any contact with him. While we worked together we talked a lot about religion and how bad I was. He said I would be going to hell and all. My brother and I both missed his conversations when he quit. We both used to have fun baiting him on areas of religion and I am sad to say it was easy to get him flustered. I would hang out with him sometimes after work but he wasn't what I would call a close friend but someone I could debate with at times. A few times we discussed how Hard Copy would do those chat room hookups pretending to be minors and he would get a bit to emotional about this area of conversation. There was something about the way he acted and said stuff that made me wonder about how true his words were. I wasn't the only person that felt he was hiding something but neither of us had any kind of evidence to base this view on. I think it was his reaction to some of the comments I made and how fast he let his emotions get away from him.


Today I was told he has plead guilty to inappropriate touching of a minor under 14 years old. I always thought that his reaction were off but had nothing to base them on. It felt about the same as all those anti gay preachers and politicians that end up being caught in homosexual acts. Should I have said something more or was I correct in not announcing my thoughts?

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I’ve been trying to understand the link between pedophilia and Christianity for some time now. When was 11 or 12 years old, I had a close friend who was around my same age. His family started attending a church that had a youth program that in the summer would take the kids to a camp for 2 weeks. This camping trip was conducted by the preacher, and his son was the youth counselor. My friend was real excited about going on this camping trip. He tried to convince me to attend the camping trip as well; so I went and met his youth counselor (his pastor’s son). This guy was in his mid 20s, and he was really creepy to me. When I told him I was not religious, and didn’t believe in god; he said: “well, when we get to camp, we’ll just have to do something about that.” Then as I was leaving, he asks me if I had started masturbating, yet. As I was walking home; I started thinking, I wasn’t going anywhere with this perverted moron, and I passed on the camping trip. About a week after my friend returned home from the camping trip, he said he had something bad to tell me, and made me promise not to tell anyone else. He said at camp, the pastor’s son had molested and raped him, as he did to most of the other boys. This boy was devastated because of this; but he was too ashamed to tell anyone else, what had happened to him at camp.

It wasn’t until I was older that I realized, that I should have told someone, (reported this boy-raping Christian to the police) this still bothers me today. I believe in your case, and because there was no perceived threat to a child at the time, you did the right thing by not saying anything. In my case, and in hindsight, I wish I would had said something to my friend before he left for his trip – but I was just too young to understand, and my friend thought that I hated most Christians, and he probably would have not believed me anyway.

Some of these deluded Christians seem to live in a dream like world. There so detached from reality; but in the case of this youth counselor, he simply took advantage of the fact that the kids looked up to him, and trusted him – I’m sure he repented to jesus, and repented year after fucking year upon returning from camp.

This was another reason why I raised my own children as far away from the place I grew-up as I could.
I doubt it would have done any good to tell anyone anyway. Even now people who are atheist have a hard time getting people to believe them. You also have to take into account that at that time most sexual abuse was still heavily hidden even when someone came forward. I doubt I would have done anything differently when I was that age. It might be something you should look into even now. Who knows how many people he has abused since then. Hopefully he has been stopped but you can't know till you check.

I don't think that christianity promotes pedophilia but some of the denominations have a different view of what age a person is ready for marriage. There used to be a website where you could buy good christian brides and the ages of the girls were between 13-21. I think some that use christianity to hide within to find victims do so because you can see that elements of the OT don't see anything really wrong with adults having child brides. There is also that air of superiority that christianity teaches. I wish I could find an interview I read a few years back where a convicted molester stated exactly why he worked within christianity to find his victims.

Yeah I know there wasn't really anything I could have done but it still makes me wonder how many signs I might have overlooked. He was and probably still is a Calvinist. How many times do we go though life and have odd feelings about someone but not look closer? I figure all people do this out of a sense of both fear and respect. I also think, for the most part, we don't want to look for the negative in others we are around regularly.

Did you try posting a comment on my blog again? If it isn't working will need to look more closely into it.
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I'm not sure what you could have said, without actual evidence, that would have made much of a difference. These are almost always tough cases where many have suspicion but rarely any more than that.
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John_poson26 · 783 weeks ago

I don’t believe that one can tell is if someone is a child molester, unless you were to see them acting improperly with a child, or some type of likewise behavior. I remember back in the late 70s, there was an Asian porn-star, who was 18 or 19, but she only looked about 12 or 13. I enjoyed watching her films because she was so tiny, and yet, so skilled in her role – in some of the scenes, she would have a penis in all 3 of her holes at the same time, and seemed to love it. But watching this film didn’t cause me to become interested in having sex with children. There were some that tried to have the films banned because they thought that people seeing this type of film might inspire someone to rape a child.

No you really can’t tell, and it makes no sense beating yourself up over this matter either. In my case, I just wish that I would have at least tried to warn my friend.

We don’t want to become like the Xtains either – I don’t know a single atheist that hasn’t been accused of being some kind sexual deviant by Xtains.

I don’t remember if you have ID installed on your site on not; but I can’t post any type of comment there?

I find it real funny, my little group of Christian-hackers; have blocked me from using my own ID account on my own blog. But this and the other childlike things they have done over the years, has done more to promote atheism among my friends and their children, than anything that I could have done.

Keep up the good work, Xtains. Hehehe!

John
I'm not sure what you could have said, without actual evidence, that would have made much of a difference. These are almost always tough cases where many have suspicion but rarely any more than that.
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I know there wasn't really much I could have said but it still makes me wonder what I might have missed that could have prevented the event. I mean she is 13 and his stepdaughter. I want to go into more detail but I can't because I can't find any news coverage about the event.
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john_poson26 · 783 weeks ago

I’m not sure why Vjack’s comment didn’t show up here; so I posted it from my email.

I guess my little pack of ignorant retards are at it again; they’re such little deluded fucktards it so easy to upset the little mindless ignorant people! Hehehe!

I love it!
Abusers come from all groups of people and religions. It is more than ever... All of us on some level, sins----and one sin is not greater than another they all bring us death. He was pointing out your sins, may be deep inside he wanted you to see him. Being that Christian, he sounds like he wanted to be strong and placed that thought out there....beliving it. We have to first be true to our selves....and if we have a problem get help. Who knows what happened to him as a child, to make him do what he did. He is a broken human, filled with pain and it will not go away. Abusers, learn early. Prevented the event....we are all quilty of it....we talk and talk....and sin still wins... we are the know all generation....and yet....we do not put sin out. We do teach it to our children they see us and others embrace sins of all kind and think nothing of it. See TV, a movie....... One by one, we could do it.....making the vow of Jacob Gen. 28:20 asking G-D'S help to stay in the state of peace. But in truth, it is sin behind, the down fall of mankind.
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First I don't see anything on the increase as to the above types of events. These things have been going on for thousands of years and it is only within the last 100-150 years that it became illegal. We will never know for sure how often these things happen because many times it is never reported. It isn't until people let go of the religious views they hold that they have been able to report the child abuse committed by those in leadership within religion. It is still taboo in many families to bring forth information about abuse within a family.

I don't sin but I do at times do things that are defined as wrong. Sins are man made rules that are just foolish and not in the best interest of people for the most part. Until you let go of your religion you will be a part of the problem. I know you claim to hate religion but you sound no different then those that identify themselves as religious. You are using their man written book to justify your views, by doing this you are supporting their views which you claim are wrong.

Religions cover truth about G-D and how to see him as he is, we live in a world that sins are embraced by mankind You talk about Christians all religions are the same....all coming from each other...all one...having many diffrent gods of mans creation. Jeremiah, came back from exile and their were two diffrent people that returned with him. Those that cryed out the temple the temple, ----they cryed over the workmanship of what mankind made for their god. The others did not cry, why because, they repented and had only G-D within them lead them...they entered the hidden part...found in Ps. 51:6 the covenant of day and night keeping the fire of G-D'S desire for them to return and be ---made---in the fullness of His creation. They made a vow, like Jacob in Gen. 28:20 asking G-D to keep them in the state of peace.

David....entered in....this hidden part, the house of G-D, Jacob and Abraham and Isaac entered in...for it is wirtten...Ps. 118...The Stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the LORD has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes. In every generation people have entered in.....the first woman....Gen. 16:13 she seen G-D and their was no church....just her and G-D. That is how we find G-D one on ONE the G-D of Host. We need to look within our selves to find G-D.
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