Thursday, March 11, 2010

What has religion contributed to science and technology?




One thing that pisses me off more than anything else is when I hear some ignorant preacher claiming that the reason this nation is so technologically advanced is because of “god’s” blessing; when in reality the fact is, these same deluded-ignorant idiots and morons, preach against anything and everything in science, which proves the “facts” in the bible to be wrong. The truth in this matter is we as a nation, only began to be able to develop the sciences and technologies we have today, only after we separated from the oppressive church – and only then were enlightened people able pursue new ideas in science and in technologies, and without the fear of being burned-alive at the stake. The fact is the church; Christianity, “god” and religion, have contributed absolutely nothing to this process – and in defense of their asinine claims, they will try and start cherry-picking science, just like they cherry-pick the bible; however, doing this with science, only makes them look silly and stupid in the eyes of intelligent people.

They try to claim that all our technological advancements were inspired by “god,” when the fact is over 90% of our greatest inventers were non believers or atheists. Albert Einstein, who laid the foundations of modern physics, was appalled by the notion of the Christian god playing such games as in the bible, and at the same time being credited for creating the universe. Men like Thomas Edison, an outspoken atheist, who contributed so much to advance this nation, and the whole world for that matter, in a technologically direction; wasn’t inspired by the fucking bible either. Men like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have done more to connect the world than any others are not Christians; they’re both atheists.

In reality what this all boils down to is the fact that “god” and Christianity, has contributed absolutely nothing to our modern concepts and technologies. The fact is that you won’t hear most scientist, thanking god or Jeebus for their latest scientific breakthrough; is because well over 90% of them are non-believers and atheists.      

I believe that we in the rational community have an obligation to set the record straight in these matters; this is the wrong message to be sending to our children  – for if we let the ideas that religion and science can co-mingle  within the same realm of reality; we’ll all be led straight back to the dark-ages!  

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No irrational emotion in this post.
Christians seem to think they have to try and show how they as a group have contributed to the advances but the only way they can really do that is to lie and attempt to discredit. I have noticed that in most areas where someone has to be able to think outside the box, christians stay away. They will follow those that are able to do this and act as if it was them that inspired.
4 replies · active 783 weeks ago
You’re spot on this one! I had a face to face debate with a Christian preacher and his son back in the 80s; after one of his flock argued with me that all of Thomas Edison’s inventions came to him in dreams which were inspired by god. By the end of the debate it was clear that he was intentional misleading his flock by combining both the stories Thomas Edison and those of Edgar Cayce. When I pointed this fact out to this lying heathen; his son jumped in my face like he wanted to fight me. Then the preacher just said “why does it matter anyway; all knowledge come from god anyway.” So I then ask him if the scientific knowledge which proves that most of the bible is wrong came from that same god; he said “Oh…that knowledge comes from the same place where most of yours does - straight from the devil himself.”
Another part of this is how some of the christians I know will blame others for their own faults. It is the same with most areas of christians lives. They want credit for all the good that comes from any advances in mankind while blaming others for the bad that comes from mankind.
When I was a kid and I would hear them say things like the “devil made someone do something bad,” or when they would tripe over their own two fucking feet and almost fall they would say “boy, the devils sure on my case today;” I always thought that they were just joking. But the fact is; it’s nice to have someone or something other than oneself to blame, and with most deluded Christians, they have plenty of options. I remember this Christian girlfriend I once had, who was setting in front of her new VCR with the remote in her hand, and praying that god would help her to program it. I simply suggested getting the instructions out of the box and reading them. After she set the time; she then thanked the “lord” for helping her, and just as if, I had played no part in this matter at all?

But I believe the most profoundly ignorant statement I have heard to date was @GospelToday saying I was mentally murdering Christians with my hate; the logic in that one still eludes me!
No religion on earth knows G-D. Have you heard G-D has come to the aid of any nation ----no----why ----because G-D wars on all the nations, due to sin. There are books that were given to Adam, Abraham. The books of heaven, but this knowledge comes....from angels, and who knows who is of G-D, many have fallen....the lie...comes so close to the truth in the words of evil.

David decree for the Watchers Ps. 28:1,3,4 Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my Mighty I AM Presence, my Rock: Draw me not away with the Watchers and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief in their hearts. Give them according to their deeds and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert. Unto thee will I cry, O LORD, my Mighty I AM Presence, my Rock.
Sorry, but I knocked down every one of your pathetic arguments. Really, you should do a little research before you write this drivel.
2 replies · active 786 weeks ago
I was NOT even implying that there were never any contributions to science which were made by people who claimed that they were “Christians;” I was simply implying that all of our real science and earth-science today, is based on the principles and facts, that the universe and the earth, is much, much older than what’s inferred in that silly old book of deluded tripe and bullshit, which you now read, (the bible) about 14.5 billion and 4.5 billion years older respectively. And therefore telling children that modern science and religion don’t in fact controvert each other; would be the wrong message to be sending to our children….when in fact it does.

There’s a big difference between stating that the foundation of a belief system is rooted in ignorance, and has not contributed anything to modern science (which it hasn’t); and stating that no person ever claiming to be a Christian had ever made such a contribution, are in fact two very different statements indeed. But I guess for you and those other ignorant morons you entertain over there on your blog; facts don’t even matter! And most of your other statements in your post are so devoid of actual facts, including the one about Michael Faraday being “a devout Christian;” I’m not even going or trying to go there with you (every credible story on this subject tends to indicate he was a freemason and a deist). You need to start doing your own research instead of relying on those Christian web sites for your information.

And the church only became interested in science after the scientific methods of research became a threat to its core belief system.

John
I have noticed that all the ones you point to seem to have died several centuries ago. That was a small list and it failed to mention most of the scientist that were tortured and executed because they didn't stay in line with the church. Where did you get the quote from Einstein? This is one I found and it does seem to imply he was an atheist. We can always find quotes about most anything but that doesn't make them the words of a person.

I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - this is a somewhat new kind of religion.
Albert Einstein

It is odd that you use what sounds like a Catholic review of Galileo. If he was so wrong why do so many consider him the father of science? I would say you didn't refute anything you just pointed out some people, even with the choke hold of the church, were still able to advance science. You also didn't look at how slow the advances were until that hold was shaken lose. You didn't show how Jesus helped to advance science nor technology. Like most christians you change the goal post so you could easily get what you wanted out of it but got no where in it.
I answered you over at my blog...man, John, you really need to get an education! Thank GOD you are not a spokesman for all atheist, what an embarrassment.

So, Baconbud, the old scientists weren't all that important to you? Tell me where you think we would be today without their work? Show me your list of atheist scientists...all 90% of them. LOL!

Jesus wasn't put on this earth to "advance technology" he was put here to save our souls. Too bad you're gonna miss out on that. :-D
1 reply · active 786 weeks ago
Where did I say they didn't matter? I just said you focused on them and not on the ones more recent. Actually as I understand it most of the advances they made were just a small step in the full picture. Look at what has happened within science and you find that as the religions lost control of the scientist, science began to advance at a much faster pace. The only groups that claim to be about science and religion aren't really in it for science but to push a foolish belief system.

I won't be missing anything when I die but you are missing much of what life offers beyond your belief system. Why do you think you have the right beliefs? There are billions that say you are wrong.

I never claimed that 90% said they were atheist but as usual christians create their own information instead of using the truth. Here is one list of atheist scientist. http://www.celebatheists.com/?title=Category:Scie... I know you have questions about atheism and have only gotten answers from fellow christians and we know how well they are able to lie so try this site also. http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismscienceevoluti...
Oh, and John...you again pulled some information out of your ass about Farraday, said he wasn't a "devout Christian". He was a Sandemanian. The Sandemanians originated from Presbyterians who had rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.

As a lifelong member of a sect called the Sandemanians, he believed that nature substantiates the existence of its Creator. Because one God created the world, all of nature mut be interconnected as a single whole, he believed. Therefore, electricity and magnetism must be interlinked. This view of nature was the very view emphasized by the Sandemanians. Key to Faraday's thought was the idea that objective reality must judge every theory, no matter how elegant and sophisticated...

Just thought you'd like to know the facts instead of just making stuff up. I'm sure that hurts your brain.
7 replies · active 786 weeks ago
If you had read a little more about him you would have seen this about him. Religion and science he kept strictly apart, believing that the data of science were of an entirely different nature from the direct communications between God and the soul on which his religious faith was based. Sounds like his religion wasn't a part of his science.
Baconsbud, I never even thought that when I was writing this post that I would be supporting the position of the bats that brought the lawsuit in which they were seeking the return of their bat-shit that was stolen from their caves by people like Miss Nunly. This ignorant little catholic bitch, totally took my post out of its context, and then created an argument based solely on either her own misconceptions or ignorance of what I was saying, or her willful deceit of what I was saying. Nevertheless, after reading her post and the opinions expressed in the subsequent comments of her readers; I find no reason to continue with this dialogue with this ignorant mentally ill moron.

I’m simply not going to let this moron lead me down the path to debating against a point of which I was never even trying to make. The fact is I totally agree with about half of what she was saying in her post – but it has no relevance to this post at all.

The fact is I don’t even care about the Biographies that were written about people long after their death by members of their church who were naturally inclined to interfuse the beliefs of their church and of those who they’re writing about. In fact if one reads the letters of which Michael Faraday wrote about both the philosophical and scientific differences he seemed to have with Benjamin Franklin; one could infer that both their sciences and philosophies were not at odds with each other; and the fact that other scientist who were also Freemason claimed him as their own is not relevant to this post either.

This is only an expression of the typical deluded Christian mentality.
You can never be sure where things will go with someone that claims to be a christian. Most people no matter what their view will try to make it fit the way they want it to. They tend to do this by ignoring things and redefining the words used. You did notice she had to turn to older scientist that only started the advance of scientific knowledge. Most of them are from time when not being religious could and did get people killed. I know most christians claim they would die before they would deny their belief but look at how they cling to life out of fear of their own death.
This is one of the main reasons why I avoid religious blogs. This person comes here and takes my post out of context, and then creates an argument based on her misunderstanding, then declares her victory?

When I talk to students who are attending colleges and universities, they say that most of their teachers and professors are non-believers and atheists. In fact all of the teachers of the science classes my sons attended were in fact atheists. Those on the far-right are all ways complaining that our children are being taught in the higher learning institutions by atheists. Some of the Christian nutjobs claim this is why so many of our children have turned away from belief in “god” and religion. The fact is you won’t find very many credibly scientist who believe that 2000 years ago, a ghost raped a little girl and made a baby jesus. One of my sons had a Christian friend when he was in college, who changed his major after he said that the science which he was learning, conflicted with his religious teachings

I don’t know where Miss Nunly found the information for her review of Galileo, but Galileo was in fact the first person to manufacture a useful telescope, and he is considered by most to be the father of modern astronomy. What she left out of her review was the fact that Galileo was put on trial by the church, and was almost burned at the stake over his sun-centered theory. And because he refused to fully recant, he spent the last years of his life under house-arrest.
It is how christians keep their view safe from truth. I figure she got that info from some church authorized website. This is why most christians perfer censorship and in truth don't support the 1st amendment in full.
I just find it mind-boggling that people like Miss Nunly, can’t understand the difference between what Christianity itself, and what people claiming to be Christians have contributed to a subject. The only things in which Christianity has contributed to our modern society is a catholic church filled to the rafters with priests who rape little boys, and a whole host of deluded TV preachers of the likes of Pat Robertson, who peddle fear and con folks out of their money. The flip-side of this is there are many good people who also claim to be Christians, who do all sorts of good things which help the destitute members of our society. And there are a few scientists like Francis Collins who have made contributions to our current understanding of sciences; however, I’m quite sure that the intimate knowledge he gained from the biblical story of dirt-man and rib-woman, played no role in his DNA research at all – but if those like Miss Nunly want to generalize the acts of people who claim to be Christians, and Christianity itself; then they must also start accepting the Christian thieves, murders and child-molesters, as their own as well too.
I doubt many christians have ever studied their religions history nor will they. Look at how little most know about the book they claim is of their god. They don't know that if a few less people had been killed before the conference they would be worshiping differently then they are now. The don't know that the other version was for the most part eliminated by those that started this version. If they really study the history of their religion and how it came to be they will find Jesus wouldn't want anything like what there is today. The christians I know will generalize when it is to their advantage but cry foul when others do it about the negatives of christianity. An early comment I made says what I believe most scientist that call themselves christians do when it comes to religion. They see them as different parts of their life. The only ones I know of that try to mix the two are those trying to prove ID. You know they can't bring themselves to accept those that commit these types crimes as christians it will tarnish their view of what christians are suppose to be like.

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