Thursday, March 3, 2011

Can we really trust our Government?


Yesterday, I broke a promise that I had made to myself, about 3 years after I had first started writing and posting stories on the internet back in the 1990s, that I would never write about my opinions on such issues as Governmental conspiracies, and this was after I wrote an article refuting a post about AIDS being planted in Africa – some fucking nut had posted this silly story, and he claimed that he had evidence that the U.S government had planted AIDS in Africa, and I spent over a year debunking his “evidence.” Then yesterday while responding to comments, I got into the position again, only this time, I was the one wearing the tinfoil cap. So, Sbj,1964, to further clarify what I am saying and where I am coming from – I learned about this facet of earth science, from the best data that was available back in the 1970s and early 1980s on the earth’s atmosphere – information in textbooks which was complied well before the start of the “space-race,” and the so called race between the USA and the Soviets, to land a man on the moon. After the start of the “space-race,” the importance of beating the Soviets, in a race to be the first to land a man on the moon was being sold to the American people, as a thing of national pride. However, this race was never about pride, or being the first to make it to the moon. With the Soviet’s success of Sputnik, our Government realized for the first time, just how far that we were behind the Soviets in our space program and technologies.



After WWII, and we had started all of this “in god we trust” bullshit, and this one nation under fucking “god” bullshit, and had stopped teaching our children real math and science, and had started creating little brain-dead Christian-sheep – in the 1950s, our “Sputnik moment,” was when we realized, that while we were becoming just a nation of ignorant and deluded, and brain-dead Christian-sheep; the god-less Soviets, were kicking our asses in both math and science, and had beaten us into space.


From The Washington Post:


President Eisenhower immediately declared the "Sputnik crisis" - in part out of concern that a country that could launch a satellite into space could also effectively deliver nuclear missiles across continents.

Less than a year later, Eisenhower signed the National Aeronautics and Space Act, which created NASA. He also began new national education initiatives to train more engineers.


The “space-race” was never about who made it to the moon first – it was about a race to be the first nation to have the strategic capacity, of raining down nuclear death from above.


At its conception, NASA was shrouded in so much secrecy, that it was drawing much suspicion from the scientific community. And our Government had started propagandizing, any and all of our new scientific discoveries, which they felt were in the interests of national security. The government began hiding anything and everything in which they deemed, as being a valuable strategic asset to the military, and they started disinformation campaigns, in an attempt hide our “secrets’ from the Soviets, and they were even hiding our new technologies, from most non Governmental scientists as well. And in the 1970s and 80s, when this disinformation had even started spreading into the science textbooks, I then became more and more disinterested in science also –you see, I was taught science by old-school scientists; and I was taught to be skeptical – you see, science must always be tested and retested, and not just simply believed – simply believing something because someone says it’s true, is the position of faith and ignorance, and held in religion, and not a position held within science – and this is the main reason why teaching real science, is such a detriment to religion, as no critically thinking person, could ever come to believe, that a ghost fucked a little girl, and this virgin-girl, then gave birth to a magical “savior,” who was then killed, but then after 3 days, his stinking and rotting corpse arose, and then walked among the living.


My position which I expressed on the subject of whether or not we did in fact land a man on the moon back in the 1960s, was derived from the best scientific information and data that was available back in the early 60s, and it was the opinion of all of the scientists that I knew back in the 1970s, that it couldn’t be done at the time, and impart because of the deadly levels of radiation, that the astronauts would encounter in outer space. And I have yet to see, any new credible data, which conflicts with the old information and data. The only thing that has changed, is the fact that our Government, now says that we did in fact go to the moon; however, the supporting data for refuting the previous data, is simply missing – the information in the science books has simply changed, and without any supporting scientific data.


I am not saying that the moon landing was all just simply propaganda and fucking lies; however, the way the Government starting all of these disinformation campaigns, we now have people believing that the government is hiding fucking Aliens in the state of Nevada. And anyone who is skeptical and questions any of the pure bullshit that our Government says, is now being labeled as a conspiracy nut, and seen in the same light as those who believe that government is hiding fucking Aliens.


It seems that we didn’t learn anything from our first "Sputnik crisis," as we have again allowed religion to pollute our Government, and again stopped educating our children, and simply telling them what to think and believe. Since the 1980s, we have created a nation of folks so fucking ignorant and deluded, that we now have these TV preaching con-artists and fucking thieves, making millions of dollars off selling magical spring-water, and all sorts of other, pure religious bullshit – and again, we are trying change our data and history in our textbooks – and if these ignorant fucking Christians here in America, don’t wake up real fucking soon, the only master that they will be serving will be a corporate master, and while they work for low wages, and with no fucking benefits.


Ok, my friends, the doors is open again, and coming real soon, my post on why I believe everything that the Government has told us about 9/11, was just fucking bullshit!





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Thanks John for the mention in your article ! How did you know about the tin foil hat? I only wear in on Sundays or at the beach .As far as the hole moon thing for anyone to say's we did not go to the moon ? WTF ? One must remember in America we are a nation of the people . By the people ,and for the people. When we talk about government lies we are talking about ourselves.For 23 years I have worked as an Aerospace technician ,meeting ,and talking to the fine men & women from the era of the moon project. Including Chuck Yeager ,Neil Armstrong,and my boy hood Hero Buzz Aldrin . These men had the RIGHT STUFF ! To deny the Accomplishments of such men as well as an entire generation of a people is at best absurd on any level . When President Kennedy said we would put a man on the moon in a decade " Not because it is easy ,but because it is hard ". He through the full wait of the American people behind this endeavor. To the tune of over 100 billion dollars ! We are the greatest nation on earth it was our destiny ! The soviet president even called the L. Johnson to congratulate us on this feat for all mankind. These Men were HERO'S Are HERO'S ! The trash we left behind is still on the moon. And will be for millions of years;if not Billions of years ; to mark as proof, that we as a race reached for the Heavens ,and landed on the MOON! In relative terms our own front porch .We all have our tin foil hat moments ! Then we realize what was I thinking? Thanks John ! Keep looking up to the moon the stars,and beyond .
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Sorry that you misunderstood me, but what I was saying, was, that I was taking the position of the one wearing the tinfoil hat, and not you. And indifferent to what President Kennedy had said, or what anyone else in the government had said at the time, this was not about a race to the moon; it was about building a nuclear arsenal, and developing the rockets (ICBMS) to deliver the nuclear payload – and anyone who believes otherwise, I have some prime waterfront property for sale in the everglades, and just for them, and for pennies on the fucking dollar too. All of that other warm and fuzzy well planed recitation, (the right-stuff, and all of that other nationalism drama) was simply to cover up the true agenda, (a nuclear arms race with the Soviets) which was shrouded in so much secrecy, that even what was being printed in the science textbooks at the time, contained misinformation about what had actually been discovered.

What I am really saying here, is that I simply can’t believe something is true, just because someone has said that it’s true, and when all of the science behind it, either doesn’t add up, or conflicts with what they are saying is true. And all of that we did it, simply because we are the greatest nation on the earth drama, so then just believe that we did do it, sounds a lot to me, like just believe in the talking-snake, rib-woman, and all of that other deluded bullshit in the bible, simply because they say it’s “the word of god,” wouldn’t you agree, my friend?

Are you starting to see now why they call us atheists, “anti-American,” and even call us “communist,” and simply because we won’t drink the religious Kool-Aid – what I am saying is that I’m not going to drink the moon Kool-Aid either, until all of the science, adds up.

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No offense john I was making a lame attempt to be funny in that we have all worn the hat at one time or another. It is that conspiracy stories have a short Fuse with me They are all based on the same material. Lost evidence, Missing or dead witnesses , Poor fact checking, Ignorance.Wild assumptions, Bad science, Non-credible testimony , Conflicting personnel accounts, Failure by apply Logic, and for the most part complete Bullshit. You Know like the BIBLE!
No offense taken. Back when that fucking idiot and moron Bush was in office, and he had made a Kennedy like statement that we should plan a manned mission to mars – and sometime shortly after that, there was a NASA press conference, and at this press conference, one of the reporters asked the NASA spokesman just what challenges would we have to be overcome, before a attempt at mars could be made, and the NASA spokesman replied that the main problem would be getting through the earth’s radiation belts. He even made reference to problems that were encountered, when the space shuttle had went into high earth orbit. The other problems that he mentioned, were the integrity of the spacesuits dealing with both the radiation, and micro meteorites puncturing the spacesuits (if the pressure was suddenly lost in the spacesuit that the astronaut was wearing, their blood would instantly begin to boil, and death would come faster than most Christians can tell a fucking lie).And almost last on his list, was the fact that Bush had just pulled this whole thing out of his ass, and without even a plan for funding it.

In the end I wondered, just like I did back in the 1970s and 80s, if we can’t solve these problems, even today in the twenty-first century – then how in the fuck can I believe that we solved them in the 1960s.

I will take the time and find the video of this press conference and do a post about it as well. And even putting aside all of my other suspicions about the conflicts in the science – if these are the problems that we would have to deal with today, which would prevent us from going to mars, than just how in the fuck, did we go to the moon back in the 1960s – fucking magic – or did the astronaut ride to the moon, in the hand of fucking “god”?

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The Radiation problem, is no more of a problem; than any other problem, that engineers love to play with. Is a trip to the moon or Mars dangerous ? Yes. Is it impossible ? No. Here's why we haven't been back to the moon in over 30 years. Been there, done that ,got the T-shirt ! Mars on the other hand would require a whole new mission platform.Total cost of a manned mission to Mars a whopping 800 billion dollars ! And that's a low ball on the cheap estimate . Just makes more sense to send robots. You keep saying the moon we do not have the technology to achieve this today . How could we have had it back in the 60's ? Simply repeating a false statement over, and over again does not support your argument . Where is your proof Sir? Show me one peer reviewed study to support such a claim .
I don’t have any absolute proof one way or the other, and I believe that this is what I have been inferring all along here; and I don’t even believe that the admissions made by the NASA spokesman are absolute proof either. But like I said, I will try and find the video, and then you can decide for yourself. I also found it interesting that the only news agencies who picked up on the NASA spokesman's statement were the BBC, and “Fox News.”

I have even heard those trying to claim that the NASA spokesman might have even misspoken – I will try and find the video, I had just seen it again a few years ago, when someone had used it in another post, for making a different point.

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You know we could go on ,and on with this.Except for many important Facts ! A) We went to the moon ,and have proof. lot's of it! 20 kilos of moon rocks B) We have living people to testify too this ! C) We have historical proofs. D) We have physical evidence left on the moon. Dune buggy,Laser range finder,decent modules several in fact. Foot prints,and a flag ! All put there with 1960 technology. What more proof could any rational person ask ? I went strolling on the moon one day in the merry merry month of may. December!
OK, we can end this part of the “debate,” for now. I will take the time again, to put together a post which postulates more clearly what I am saying, and the science of which I base my opinions on.

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Look forward to it john ! May the wind always be at your back.And may you always fined yourself in the the company of friends ,and love ones .
Thanks that one was great – and the same to you also!
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I have to agree that I see no way that so many could have been kept quiet about a fake moon landing. What i know of these theories of a fake moon landing, their evidence is about the same as you get for the existence of a god. It is mostly just twisting of words or making the claim that because it was done for a movie it was done in reality. Do I trust the government? Actually I do trust the government but I don't trust those in the government nor the ones that report on the actions of the government. It is to easy to convince people they are doing what is best for others if you flash a little cash in front of them and we know that accounting for money is not a strong suit within the government.
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Good point Baconsbud ! The United States Government according to the latest GAO reports can not account for over a Trillion dollars spent by our government from 1970-2010. Just unaccounted for. And these are the people who are suppose to keep track ! 30 years a trillion dollars ? That's over 10 million dollars a day for 30 years ! WTF!
I don’t trust anything that someone in the government says, simply on blind-faith – nor do I trust anything about our current government. Were I do put my trust is in our founding documents – our founding documents are what makes us the greatest nation on the earth, and nothing else, but it only works, with in a state of transparency, and only when our citizens are intelligent enough, to understand what’s going on…..

We lost our greatest nation status back in the 1980s, the day we let the party of “god” convince the ignorant Christian-sheep in our nation, that the way of increasing government tax revenues, and balancing the federal budgets, was by lowering the taxes on the rich, and then, all of that imaginary new increase in government revenues, would then just trickledown to everyone else, including the poor. Yes folks, they used the same reasoning used by those preaching con-artists, when they are trying to convince their ignorant-sheep that by them giving their hard earned money, is just like planting a seed. A magical-seed, which will grow something out of nothing or that less, is actually in fact more (I just heard one of them, making this same ignorant argument last night on Christian television).

We have gone from being a nation of for the people, and by the people, to being a nation for big business, to simply fuck the people of this nation. Just look at how the big corporations support, all of those ignorant Christian candidates, like the ones who claim that the science on climate change is wrong, and simply because of some promise a fucking “god” had made, to a 800 year old man after the “great-flood,” or that a smaller government, and a government without the power and oversight to regulate big business, is somehow better for the people – I don’t know about anyone else, but I want more government oversight and regulations placed on big business – I for one, don’t want to be eating cow-shit mixed in with my burgers, or drinking lead, and other toxins in my water (this is just the same ignorant fucking bullshit, as that we should all just put our faith in some imaginary fucking “god,” instead of depending on our government – and in the end, we all lose, because there is no “god” ).
I agree that it would be hard to fake a moon landing to so many people – but just look at how those in the Bush administration used fake information as the reason for going to war with Iraq, (the WMDS, and all of the other fake bullshit that they had said) when in fact the real reasons were about money, and even revenge.

I’m sorry, but unlike those ignorant Christians and other stupid and ignorant people, I just don’t believe anything without evidence, on faith (if it walks like a duck and it sounds like a duck, and it looks like a duck?).

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Well said my friend, Don't get me wrong I to am no Kool-aid drinker. I know there are people in our government; who will seek to undermine the people of this nation in pursuit of what ever agenda they may have. Be it religion,Greed,social engineering ,or party dogma.Yes W.Bush,Dick Channey, D. Rumsfeld basically wiped their Asses with the Constitution for 8 years ,and got away with it.I think it is so cool that they can't go to a lot of countries today because they would be arrested for War crimes under the Geneva Convention But you have to admit most of the time they get caught when doing these stupid things. Simply put,they are not smarter than the average American,or otherwise Known as a 5th grader!
Did we do 3 reply's ? Damm that makes 4 ! Peace out Baconsbud !
I trust our government,and the reason why I do is because they are us ! They ,we are the same . And time after time in America when ever the government has tried to lie or get away with something Like Bill Shakespeare said in HAMLET " Foul deeds will rise though all the world would seek to overwhelm them". That is why I am a strong supporter of the 1st amendment. Just keeping them Honest. For the conspiracy people it was the boy scouts in the grassy knoll;under the direction of the Hostess cup cake company ! They are like evil good ?And my sources say They killed Bobby too ! SIR, PUT DOWN THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER ! Put it down now! ,and step away Slowly . Dam Aliens did it to me again !
Hey john, I have been doing a little research into the whole Van Allen radiation belt myth. Most of it has been around for a long time now.Postulated by internet You tube hacks like Moonfaker. According to OHSA the amount of radiation one would have to be exposed to to be Lethal is 300 Rads in one hour.The Apollo crews were traveling at 25000 mph they crossed through the Van Allen radiation belts in 52.8 minutes maximum exposure would have been a harmless 14 rads,and that is for an Astronaut traveling outside the spacecraft. Not one inside a shielded ship. According to NASA's own dosimeter on board the lunar module the crew only received about 2 rads during the entire 6 day round trip mission. Hope that helps clear that up.The rest of the Moon conspiracy Lunacy was debunked by the history Channels own Myth Busters available on You Tube.
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“Hope that helps clear that up.”

The dynamics in this issue, of the levels radiation that a person would be exposed in outer space, are a hell of a lot more complex, and if what you posted is in fact what NASA is now saying about this matter, then what they’re saying today, is even more ludicrous, than what the NASA and the other government scientists, were saying back in the 1970s. The fact is that outer space is not a very happy place for organic life, and least of which, organic human life. And the dangers posed by the electromagnetic radiation in outer space, are not just limited to gamma waves either, but being exposed to harmful levels of electromagnetic radiation across the whole electromagnetic spectrum.

There are high levels of x-rays, UV radiation, and microwave radiation, and high levels of everything in between gamma waves and microwave waves, and all of which, make outer space, not a very happy place for humans. Then there are the highly charged particles and atoms, all moving close to the speed of light; there are the atoms from almost the whole range of the periodic table, flying from all directions in outer space – the more mass the atoms has, the more damage it does to the cell structure, when it passes through the cell. And then there’s the issues of atmospheric pressure, and the fact that the temperature in outer space, is extremely cold, and the levels infrared, ultraviolet and visible radiation (light), all cause dramatic temperature changes in any object in space, depending on the levels of radiation which the object is absorbing – which can vary from hundreds of degrees, from shade to direct sun light.

All of these issues of temperature and pressure were overcome with pressurized and temperature controlled space capsules and space suits, and this science and data is very clear. However, the science and data of just how we overcame all of these other issues, are anything but clear – and even today, the scientists at NASA, are still talking out both their mouth and asses at the same time about these other issues.
I have extensively study and researched both of these areas of science, and many more as well, both electromagnetic radiation (waves) and particles physics. I even developed a theory which postulated that particles such as neutrinos, might have even played a role in the evolution of life here on earth – this was supported in theoretical mathematical equations, which postulated that neutrinos had both mass and weight, and sometimes when they passed through our bodies, they caused damage to our DNA, and possibly causing cell mutations, which can even become cancerous – of course, everyone knew back in the 1970s and 80s, that neutrinos had neither weight nor had any mass – and when I proposed this theory, the young bone-head fucking scientists all laughed, and said stupid shit like: “you better keep your day job.” Well I said fuck them back then, and I still say fuck them now, and then in 2002, after I had found out that Japanese physicists had confirmed this fact, I wanted to go back to these guys, and laugh and them, and give them a real piece of my mind, however, this isn’t how science is supposed to work (maybe that’s how ghetto-science might work). Nevertheless, I don’t even try to hide the fact, that I am both old school and also a little ghetto as well.

My point being, again, I fully understand the science involved in this moon landing thing, I have still not seen any new data, which would explain just how we overcame some of these real issues, which would have prevented us from going that far into outer space – maybe the science and data is still a classified secret?

And I can understand the positions held by most of you moon–landing-theists; however, some of you, start sounding more like religious theists in presenting evidence – how did a virgin-girl, give birth to a baby “jesus”? How did a dead for 3 days, stinking and rotting corpse arise from the dead, and then walk among the living – the answers simple - it says in the bible, so it must be true! Or it says it on the NASA’s Gods web-site, so it must be true? Both religious-theists, and moon-landing-theists, all say that I simply refuse to listen to the “facts,” when the real facts are, that I have a working brain and the discernment in the matters of bullshit; and I am simply not a follower or a joiner.

Doesn’t clear up jack-shit for me!!!

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Wow! a little over the top john. Did not mean to poke the bear.Just trying to help.What is it called when a person steadfastly holds to a belief when all the evidence contradicts that held belief ? I will give you a hint starts with a D and ends with, elutional .
I don’t believe that was over the top; what I was simply saying was that my position on virgin-born saviors and space-Zombies, was not derived because I hadn’t heard enough of the “good news” (I fully understand the delusion of Christianity). And my skepticism over the science involved with the moon landing was, not derived from ignorance either. And my rant was in no way intended to be a person attack on you.

And like I had said, I will try and clarify my position in another post – and sorry, but this bear does in fact get a little grumpy in these matters, hehehehe!

Peace!

John

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All's well My friend. Thanks for a great debate ! Maybe we can do it again some time ?
John,Beconsbud ! Hey, was just over at (Mojoeys Deep Thoughts)saw an Awesome video from ProfMTH ! He is a gay Atheist You tuber. You guys should check it out ! So much for Christian morals.He knocked it out of the park with this one. And John we were just talking about this kind of thing last week.
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I have seen the one “Feb was a bad month for the clergy,” and it is a great one!

But we all know that those child-fucking clergy were not real Christians, or they were real Christians, but the devil simply made them do it. The problem is that Christian-morality is just as imaginary as “Christ.”

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